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How do I put apps on my external SD on my Arnova 7G3 ?
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Hi,

I am starting to get furstrated with my tablet as I have a 16gb Micro SD card.  I have 2gb internal and 14gb external.  However I can only use the 2gb. 

 

Please help.

 

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I have the same question. Please, help us.

Thanks in advance.Smile

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From the google playstore download/install these 2 programs, like I have. Both free without restrictions. "Android Assistant +18"; "File Manager HD".

Android assistant gives lots of tools, including 'apps 2 sd', useful for saving backups of your downloaded apps.
File Manager HD lets you move any files around, from your tablet to sd card, and if you get an OTG cable ("On The Go" cable, $2 from amazon), you can use the otg cable to access usb periphials like flashdrives, usb mouse/keyboard, joystick. With FileManagerHd you can access the tablet's USB.
I also got a 7port ac powered, 2.0 usb hub from the 'Plugable' company ( http://www.plugable.com ) from Amazon for $20, and it works great! With an hdmi cable to my flatscreen tv, it's like having a laptop computer. I have Logitch's $15 usb keyboard/mouse & joystick GamepadF310. Just have to still figure out how to get joystick to work, anyone have knowledge on that would be appreciated.
Good luck guys/gals. :-)

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If you're running out of room on the internal sd there are 2 options that have worked on other tablets.
1. Link2sd -you create a partition on the external sd and the link2sd uses symbolic links to put apps and data there.
2. A modification of the vold.fstab file swaps the mounts for sd and ext sd. I would have to link to another forum, search swap sd to ext sd.

The ext sd as is will work for music and vids and backups. Check the settings on the media players and file/backup managers you use.

Of course, if any firmware is ever released you would need to reverse all changes. And nothing is without risk.


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reposting for brevity and clarity's sake...
From the google playstore download/install these 2 programs. Both of them are free andare worth paying for, in my opinion.. "Android Assistant +18"; "File Manager HD".

Android assistant gives you lots of tools (including a basic file manager), including task killer, 'apps 2 sd' moves most of installed apps memory usage to sd card), and "apps backup", whch isuseful for saving backups of your fileswnloaded apps.
File Manager HD lets you move any files around, from your tablet to sd card. NOTE: The "HD" version of File Manager is made just for tablets, and is the version that lets you have access to external usb memory storage.
You will need to get an OTG cable to access usb devices directly from the tablet ("On The Go" cable, $2 from amazon). Use the otg cable to access usb periphials like flashdrives, usb mouse/keyboard, joystick. A normal usb data cable is all that's needed when using a computer. The otg cable neededhas a male micro usb plug on one end and a "female usb socket" on the other end

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You can store media and backups with these methods. However you cannot run apps from ext sd so easily.
In settings/apps/on sd you can move some programs from 1 GB internal storage to 2.25GB internal fake sd storage.
App2sd allows you to move even more apps between these unnessesarily partitioned divisions of storage, but will not move installed apps to the ext sd.

Some programs and games such as Horn and TDKR (batman) have massive data downloads approaching 2 GB. And using offline maps for GPS navigation will fill storage quickly.

Even when moving apps to fake sd some portion remains in the internal storage, so there is a finite limit to the amount of apps installed.

I'm using ES file explorer and Solid explorer to access and stream from my network drives (music & movies) and a battery powered WIFI external hard drive called the Gauntlet Node.

If you want to try modifying /system/etc/vold.fstab to swap the sd and extsd mounts, make sure you can unbrick your device using the roms provided in another thread. Hopefully, a Livesuite version will be made to simplify this.
Back up the file first and if using a text editor (like in the explorer programs) do not press enter- it will insert non Linux characters (cr/lf) in there. Instead cut and paste between 2 backups til you get it right and copy it back to system. Don't forget to check the permissions. And move all apps back to internal first.

I would use a class 10 sd card, it's still slower than the internal mem. Usb natch.

Link2sd might be easier for you, it moves the apps and data to a partition on the ext real sd and replaces them in internal storage with symbolic links.

If you have programs that allow you to set a default storage directory the path to the ext sd on my firmware is /mnt/extsd/yourfolderhere.

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Here's some matches kids, have fun!

I've given up on taskillers, android has built in memory management that better responds to tweaks from apps like system tuner and amm (fish logo- try it, its great)
If an app is acting up you can force stop in system/apps.
Many apps when killed with a task killer will just reload again. Try it, kill some apps, exit, reload and see what just popped back up. Besides the 7g3 has 1GB ram which doesn't get filled so quickly.

As for using usb kb and joystick, it has to be supported in the kernel drivers. Trial and error, sorry. Try using generic older devices that were around when the os was compiled. Or you could try busybox by stephen, I know it updates linux commands, unsure of drivers. That would be neat but improbable.
My usb jack broke and I just got it back from repair which took 5 weeks so I don't ever use the tablet while charging, much less kb. Paranoid now.

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Thank you Mat ,I meant to give you 5 stars (new to this).

Let me guess, the usb broke where it is soldered into the circuit board, right? I lost a garmin gps that way. Ever since I'm careful (paranoid? LOL) about 'stressing' the usb port on any of my devices, since usb is everything. Once it breaks, you can't charge the device, and it's near impossible to fix on your own.

You are way more knowledgeable about linux than I am. A lot goes (whoosh!) right over my head, but I am learning. Over time, I'll be re-reading everything you've posted, and experimenting more and more with it all, thank you again, sir.

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Actually, I have next to no linux knowledge. I'm only hoping the jargon I'm using is correct. Much of what I've posted is condensed from other forums where I've asked the same questions as you. And made the same mistakes. I've been around computers a fair bit, and seen many operating systems, programmed in basic, then c, then quit because I couldn't keep up with all the new versions and machine language was giving me headaches. So I'm a Linux Luddite. However, some of it seems familiar to me.......I'm hoping someone on this board does have the knowledge and can make it easier for the rest of us. Like with the awesome rom dumps they're working on.

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And yes, my usb broke at the circuit board. When I sent it back for warranty repair I suggested that they beef up the strain relief but I have no idea if they did. When the warranty runs out I plan to open the tablet and epoxy the jack to the board. If the jack breaks after that I will add a charging jack and use wifi for data. So a recovery option that would load roms from the sd card would be useful when adb or livesuite is no longer an option. There is an ota update button in settings that has never updated anything. I don't think this is actually an arnova tablet but is rebranded chinese and they may never get any access to new firmware. We're out on a limb and I hear a chainsaw. I will never buy another archos/arnova without a store extended warranty to swap the tablet immediately or take credit for a newer tablet.

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You know, I think that these tablets were never designed with longevity in mind. They're only $100 (7g3). That's why I bought it. I know it's not going to last that long before something in it breaks. In the nineties I spent over $2000 on a pentium300 computer, a few years ago a friends son took it apart to learn about computers. I've spent enough big money on tech. If I get a year or two out of, this great! By that time, there will be something being sold that will have more computing power, ram and a better os. Until then this 7g3 will fill my rather mundane needs.

It gets the web, streams youtube/netflix, powerful enough to play most games from the playstore, and it runs Mame roms. I've been able to get back all those video games I bought and lost from years ago (Atari, nes,snes,commodore64, atari5200 plus others). I rarely play 'em, I guess I just like having it all back. Since everything's backedup to flashdrives, the next computer/tablet I get will be good enough to run even more advanced platforms

I try to treat it as carefully as possible, put it in a bubblewrap bag, real careful of stressing the connections. I figure I'll know how to open it up by the time the battery wears out. I look for teardown videos for this specific model, one day... Until then I'm not stressing to much, cuz' the thing actually works as it is! For a hundred bucks, it's ten times the desktop I spent two grand on.

I like your idea of gluing the circuit board connections. Makes sense. I'm sure there's an easy way to open it up, I just don't have a reason to... yet!

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I considered the tablet to be throwaway also. With a 1 year warranty I expected it to last a year. It broke after 3 weeks.
I justified the cost from all it replaced. I'm a crossword junkie, and since my local newspaper the Dallas Morning News was losing its tv guide and the reporting (in my opinion, no libel here) was brown nose journalism, pandering to power and feeding at the PR trough, I got to cancel it. All my magazines have free older issues online, canceled them. My computers no longer play modern games, many free android games. My laptop is now an htpc set to record broadcast station programs in HD, it sips power and wake/sleeps perfectly. Trashed all my vcrs. I could go on, but the tablets I own are saving me money! Even though this is the 2nd of 3 tabs I own. 1st was polaroid being repaired when I got this one. Now have nexus 7 with ext. warranty replacing 7g3 under repair. I've got an android jones!

Back on topic: I will attempt the swap sd mod when I have time and post the modified file and backup after testing if no one beats me to it. It's really easy, I just have to follow my own advice and get adb working first on a win7 64bit to unbrick if needed. And learn linux, I'm getting old, I need a memory upgrade and a new battery. Also the newer firmware may have a different vold.fstab.

I will also try a generic blutooth dongle, might work for kb and joysticks and wii remote. With hdmi out and emulators we have a possibly very nice little console game here. If you've used the hdmi, does dimming the tab screen to conserve battery affect the tv display?

Start a new thread on emulators, I will join you there with dosbox. Check the main forum first, let's keep this area device specific.

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Nope, I use hdmi for emulators, video streaming, and to conserve tablet battery keep tablet screen at lowest brightness. Video comes through no problem, just when tablet screen 'times out' into sleep mode, so does the hdmi. Otherwise works like a champ! Quite pleased with this little tablet's abilities , for the little bit of money it costs. There's a youtube video from a guy in England who uses it for his java proramming work.

BTW, that OTA doesn't seem to do anything useful. Doesn'twork for my tablet either, when it connects to internet says something about a bad id # every time. I made a backup of it before deleting it, just in case, don't see any need of it. Firmware update would happen through Arctools. Might be from another, different tablet design, seems unneccessary, and deleting it doesn't affect anything. One less thing to 'force close'.

I'll probably either get a usb xbox joystick or an older usb type. Thought that they were all generic usb, didn't know about driver issues when I bought the Logitch gamepad. It'll work for a windows computer, need to get a laptop fixed (a 'friend' purposely poured water on it, would cost $400 to have the $400 laptop fixed under warranty) :-( You know, I'd start an emulator thread but why fall attention to these sites that still allow you to download roms, they'll just get shut down, a lot that used to offer free roms don't anymore. The internet's gotten a lot more less free than from years ago.

Good luck with your warranty repair, they replaced the battery in mine. I bought it 'new' from an electronics store, then saw it had a previous users data on it, and battery life was quite bad, not 'first-charged' correctly, I figured. The Arnova tech dept. kept in touch via email, had it back pretty fast. They do make a gaming tablet with built-in joystick that sells only in Europe, afaik.

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Check your gamepad thread, I posted alink that could save you from buying another gamepad.

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Yes, that's the BT Joystick app. I saw it when you posted it, and 'thanked' you then (and you never said "your welcome" lol)

Actually I had tried the free version a couple of weeks ago, and just didn't have the right brain set to figure out how to do the required mapping. Just lazy, had other things going on then. I will get into that in the next couple of days, it'll probably end up being real simple to set up. Judging by the glowing reviews it has on the playtore, it is the solution, or fix, to getting the thing to work. I will investigate it fully when my brain gets a couple of free neurons to shake hands, will report back in that thread. Thanks for 'pushing' me, friend Mat.

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